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Post by charlietango on Oct 2, 2008 19:23:04 GMT -5
Popping some popcorn... going to sit down and watch Sarah "Sieg Heil" Palin go down in flames...
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Post by Motown Scrapper on Oct 2, 2008 22:10:26 GMT -5
Popping some popcorn... going to sit down and watch Sarah "Sieg Heil" Palin go down in flames... Well looking at that childish post We cannot expect anything remotely resembling objectivity out of you. You probably are disapponted over the fact she did well. But I am quite sure from your post that you will be basing your opinions on a fantasy rather that what really occured at the debate. The truth is both candidates did reasonably well I will give Palin a slight edge. There were no killing blows landed by either side I was happy to see that the moderator DID do a fair and even job and the worries about her upcoming book causing her to slant things turned out to be unfounded.
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Post by charlietango on Oct 2, 2008 22:40:04 GMT -5
She did just fine! I'm surprised. After her moose-in-headlights interviews with Charles Gibson and Katie Couric, I figured she'd leave a little puddle on the stage when she was done.
No, she proved to be rather folksy and endearing. Of course she wouldn't actually *answer* any of the the questions, but that's OK. Repeating talking points (even if not relevant to the topic)seemed to work just fine.
And I'm perfectly objective. She is a Nazi. She wants to ban books, she's a Nazi. End of argument there.
On style, she clearly won the debate. On substance, Biden was the clear winner.
It will be interesting to see if the American public will vote on style or substance.
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Post by Motown Scrapper on Oct 3, 2008 16:51:29 GMT -5
You know the only place I have seen or heard this so called book banning thing is your post here I'm going to need to get it from a more reliable source that this. right now it looks like left wing slander to me how about putting up a source for this.
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Post by charlietango on Oct 3, 2008 19:18:08 GMT -5
Gladly. www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/51821.htmlThe Anchorage Daily News article factchecking the incident, from the McClatchy Newspapers (they own the Anchorage Daily News) She asked the librarian about what would be her position on REMOVING BOOKS FROM THE LIBRARY. There was never a list (as a list circulating on the Internet claims). Snopes.com has debunked that, but Palin did inquire about removing books from the library, and subsequent to the librarian's refusal to remove any books, Palin did send her a letter saying she would be fired for "not fully supporting" Palin. There's no ambiguity there. A clear straight line.
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Post by Motown Scrapper on Oct 3, 2008 19:43:37 GMT -5
Well the artical also mentioned that several other high ranking city officials also recieved letters at that time also I have seen that it was the word of one person with no other corraborating evidence. And as one of the responants also pointed out Sarah palin is far from alone in this kind of political action. I personally remember the Al Gore one as well as mamny attempts to have religious texts removed from libraries and you were implying that she wanted books banned from being printed or sold at all...something VASTLY different from removal from a libraries stock. Certainly NOT something that justifies the extremely offensive 'Nazi" lable Al Gore WAS talking about an outright ban of those CD he wanted them removed from the market and their sale banned...Is he a Nazi?
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Post by charlietango on Oct 4, 2008 0:56:06 GMT -5
Well the artical also mentioned that several other high ranking city officials also recieved letters at that time also I have seen that it was the word of one person with no other corraborating evidence. And as one of the responants also pointed out Sarah palin is far from alone in this kind of political action. I personally remember the Al Gore one as well as mamny attempts to have religious texts removed from libraries and you were implying that she wanted books banned from being printed or sold at all...something VASTLY different from removal from a libraries stock. Certainly NOT something that justifies the extremely offensive 'Nazi" lable Al Gore WAS talking about an outright ban of those CD he wanted them removed from the market and their sale banned...Is he a Nazi? Fact check: Tipper (notice not Al, Tipper) Gore requested the warning sticker be placed on albums with potentially offensive lyrics. The PRMC (Parents Music Resource Center) has never called for the banning of any album. Big difference. And unless you are going to have texts from any religion who requests it in schools, religious texts should be banned from public schools. Since public schools recieve tax money from the Federal government, as designated by Congress, using any of that money to purchase religious texts would be in violation of the establishment clause of the Constitution: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion...." Same thing with wearing of religious symbols in school. If you're going to send home someone who wears a Wiccan symbol, you should send home everyone who shows up wearing a cross. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." Here's a good question: Why would Sarah Palin even ask the librarian about removing books from the library if there was not something in the library she found objectionable? There is even some reasonable speculation about what the book was, due to a book that her church was trying to get removed from the library. Article reference: abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5766173&page=1
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Post by Motown Scrapper on Oct 4, 2008 1:33:34 GMT -5
Well a public library is just that Public andas such should respond to the needs of the public and I agree religious texts should not be in public schools they belong in their respective houses of worship and in peoples homes. since libraries are funded by tax payers moneys they should be responsive to the people who pay the bills as to what should be allowed. As far as sales of books and other media by private bussinesses that is up to them what they feel should be carried in stock and with the exception of age limiting certain types of materials that might be in appropriate for viewing by children the free market should decide and by free market I mean the people who are interrested in paying for said materials NOT some rabble with picket signs. The same is true for the air ways. You wwant to talk about REAL NAZI'S how about those lefties that are trying to put limits on talk radio because they are unable to compete on a level playing field tso the try to muzzel the opposition like the mis named "Fairness Doctrine" which is anything but. Do you feel that a radio station should be ordered to stop carrying a popular program because one political group does not like it's views?
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Post by charlietango on Oct 5, 2008 0:05:43 GMT -5
Well a public library is just that Public andas such should respond to the needs of the public and I agree religious texts should not be in public schools they belong in their respective houses of worship and in peoples homes. since libraries are funded by tax payers moneys they should be responsive to the people who pay the bills as to what should be allowed. As far as sales of books and other media by private bussinesses that is up to them what they feel should be carried in stock and with the exception of age limiting certain types of materials that might be in appropriate for viewing by children the free market should decide and by free market I mean the people who are interrested in paying for said materials NOT some rabble with picket signs. The same is true for the air ways. You wwant to talk about REAL NAZI'S how about those lefties that are trying to put limits on talk radio because they are unable to compete on a level playing field tso the try to muzzel the opposition like the mis named "Fairness Doctrine" which is anything but. Do you feel that a radio station should be ordered to stop carrying a popular program because one political group does not like it's views? I have no problem with a private enterprise such as a bookstore limiting what they choose to carry. In that case, as you say, the free market will decide whether or not the business survives or fails based upon its choices. Just in the same way, a commercial radio station is free to choose its content. Just as I am free to turn off the radio station, choose not to patronize businesses that sponsor radio programs I do not agree with. I do not listen to Rush Limbaugh, nor do I listen to Howard Stern. (Both for the same reason oddly enough; I simply cannot lower my IQ far enough.) There are more than enough media sources (even in some of the more remote parts of Kansas, where the AM airwaves are nothing but right-wing drivel or religion) that the argument of media scarcity no longer applies. I do think that limits on station ownership within a market should be looked at as there are even some major markets now in radio that are pretty much controlled by one ownership group, and this does tend to skew that which is carried on those radio stations (this is no longer the free market at work). That being said, I think several of these right-wing talking heads do get precipitously close (if not blow by the line entirely) to slander. However, a lawsuit would merely bring further attention to their idiotic comments and would only serve to prop up their rapidly-collapsing credibility.
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